Is there really an unseen spiritual realm all around us? Yes, there is! Barb and Bob Klika discovered it as Barb’s counseling career unfolded. That was one of the main avenues they traveled in their spiritual journey to where Barb is now Undershepherd of Set Apart Ministries. We learn more about that journey in this third part of our interview with the Klikas. Debra Pagel and Jimmie Black share their musical gifts,, and our Elders offer observations on the topic of Rain on the Just and the Unjust.

After you hear the show, check out the resources available at the Set Apart Ministries website (, including Barb’s book, New to Torah.

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